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PRESS RELEASE FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: 12/29/09 “Children Taken By the Family Courts” Handprints Albany, New York For the 1st year, the Seventh Annual Battered Mothers Custody Conference 2010, Battered Women, Abused Children, and Child Custody, A National Crisis VII: “Now That We Know, What Are We Doing About It?” is hosting the construction of children’s handprints who have been taken by the family courts. www.batteredmotherscustodyconference.org January 8th, 9th, and 10th 2010 in Albany, New York. This is a national crisis in the family courts all over the US and Mothers are losing custody….unfairly by a court system that is not protecting our children. Just imagine, a long clothesline, with mini wooden clothespins, and handprints of all sizes, representing protective mothers and their children who have been “legally kidnapped” by the family courts. We are asking Mothers who have lost physical custody of their child(ren) to create handprints to commemorate their lost child(ren). Throughout weekend of the conference, we will be providing materials and ask Mothers to add paper cut-out handprints to the clothesline. However, Mothers do NOT need to be in attendance at the conference in order to add their handprints. Please mail the handprints before Jan. 2, 2010 to: Linda Marie Sacks P.O. Box 730966 Ormond Beach, FL 32173 Questions…..call Linda Marie 386-453-3017 after Jan 2, 2010 please mail to: Dr. Mo Hannah, Chair, BMCC 2010 26 Purtell Avenue Latham NY 12110 mhannah413@aol.com 518-210-2487 Instructions: Place your child’s hands on a piece of paper, cardstock works best, trace your child’s handprints (left and right) on colored paper, cut out and write a message if you’d like and mail before the conference to Linda Marie, as she will constructing the clothesline and will have it at the conference. After the Jan. 2th date…please send to Dr. Mo Hannah. Sadly, if you cannot see your child(ren) to trace their handprints, please, trace YOUR handprints for every child you have lost to the crisis in the courts. Once the handprints are constructed, we will lend it out to individuals and organizations for promoting and publicizing the problems faced by battered mothers and children within the family court system. One day justice will prevail…..thanks to all the wonderful people who are part of the solutions to the family court crisis. Contact: Dr. Mo Hannah, Chair BMCC 2010 518-210-2487 mhannah413@aol.com or Linda Marie Sacks 386-453-3017 lindamariesacks@aol.com

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    Tetsuo no Kokoro

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    Perverts win in Montana

    Post by Tetsuo no Kokoro on Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:34 pm

    In Montana Valerie Dunkle was convicted of custodial interference even though she was the custodial parent at the time she left the state with her children to save her daughter from physical, mental. and sexual abuse.
    The daughter told her mother starting at age 9 that her father was prodding her in the crotch with his fingers and touching her in other inappropriate ways. Pleas for help were unanswered by family services and the abuse escalated according to the little girl.
    Mother and children fled the state and were picked up in New Mexico.
    The father, Shawn Hargrove, has fought every attempt of the mother to have any kind of contact with the children. It has now been 3 1/2 years.
    The mother has passed with flying colors, a polygraph about why she left Montana with the children and on the witness stand three people spoke under oath about seeing bruises, seeing sexual touching, and hearing from the child herself what was happening, but the judge only said "I can see this is a very emotional issue" and sentenced the mother to 5 years probation.
    It would be good to bring to justice all child molesters, but apparently in Montana if the child is afraid to tell anyone after the system has failed her already multiple times, no action is taken, not even to protect the child.

    janedoemt

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    Read the following for actual FACTS

    Post by janedoemt on Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:50 am

    Interesting that a forensic psychologist interviewed the child and determined with NO DOUBT that the child was coached to say these things. After being found in New Mexico the child was NOT returned to the fathers custody until a full investigation was completed. The father was investigated by Montana and New Mexico and found completely innocent by each separate investigation and the forensic psychologist. America's Most Wanted also investigated and decided to run a story naming Ms. Dunkle as a fugitive, .amw.com/captures/case.cfm?id=47946

    Here is some actual factual court documentation .leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?xmldoc=In%20MTCO%2020110208277.xml

    Since being returned to her Father's custody the child has had regular therapy. She is on the honor roll, has friends, regular activities and a normal life. A life that her mother wouldn't allow her to have. Also, Father offered visitation on the condition that Ms. Dunkle complete a full extensive mental eval. Which Ms. Dunkle refused. As the court document referred to above states, "Dunkle has only herself to blame for the court's order that she have no contact with her children."

    Two sides to every story but this side is the only one that will welcome you to read actual facts for yourself. Feel free to call Scott Warnell, Detective, Kalispell Police Department, 406-758-7781.

    Tetsuo no Kokoro

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    Re: Perverts win in Montana

    Post by Tetsuo no Kokoro on Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:41 pm

    The counseling the daughter in this divorce had to have because of her father's abuse was also paid for out of the mother's own pocket before the family left Montana.
    The so-called investigation of the abuse was incomplete at best by the admission of one of the case workers in a Montana family services office.
    The mother has passed a polygraph about this matter with flying colors, while the father refused to take a polygraph.
    The mother has voluntarily sought out mental evaluation and the diagnosis was that she has stress and post traumatic stress syndrome brought on by the events of her marriage and divorce.
    The vast majority of psychologists agree that children are better off when allowed to see both parents. If the father really cared about the children he would allow them to see their mother.
    Perhaps, janedoemt (who is married to the alleged molester) is not the most qualified person to make claims about the mother.

    janedoemt

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    Re: Perverts win in Montana

    Post by janedoemt on Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:25 pm

    Speaking of not being a qualified person to make claims, look in the mirror.

    Here are some actual hard facts. While married to Shawn - Valerie lived like a pig and by extension forced her children and spouse too as well. She did not share a bedroom with Shawn. She was an animal and object hoarder, the family home was nearly unlivable. She refused to work, cook, do laundry, clean or drive. She isolated herself and the children in every way possible. She ‘lived’ on the internet, making up fake aliases and stories which she shared on different chat sites. A lot of people do this on the internet but for Val it was almost real. She spent 12+ hours a day lying and manipulating people though various websites. She wrote in her diary about attempting suicide and wanting to do it again. She forced their daughter, and son to share a bed with her well beyond the age it would have been appropriate. She refused to allow them play dates and wouldn’t allow them to attend school. She home-schooled them, poorly. (She had no itinerary or materials. When we enrolled the kids into school they were behind their peers in nearly all subjects. We gave them support and a lot of help to get caught up and now they are consistently on the honor roll.) She treated the kids, internet ‘friends’ and pets as her only source of affection and love. When the marriage ended and I helped clean the family home there was so much cat urine, feces and hair on the mattress Valerie forced the kids to share with her, I COULD ACTUALLY DRAW PICTURES through the filth with my finger. There were no sheets and the blankets were urine soaked and smelled horrible. The pillows were heavy with cat urine, sweat and cat hair. Underneath the bed was mounds of cat feces in various stages of decomp. The home was so full of 'stuff' there was just a narrow walkway around the home between towers of items and crap. Chickens had also been allowed to roam freely through the home as well as a rat and other animals. When we went to move the washer and dryer there was literally a 12" pile of feces and urine built up inside the base of the machines. The home literally was gutted and we started over. Male cats had 'sprayed' the walls to the point they were crumbling. So when I say gutted I mean sheet rock had to be ripped out, flooring ripped out, doors replaced, carpet ripped out, mattresses thrown away... literally had to re-do the whole inside. I admit, when I went inside that house of horror I was angry that Shawn allowed his children to live like that. I really don't feel any excuse he can give me makes it ok. It was completely unacceptable for children to live that way. However, he worked long hours to support his family of four and year after year Val refused to get employment and help. So Shawn was out of the house for 18hrs, would come home, cook, do dishes, laundry, try to clean up some, then sleep and get up and repeat the whole process. Val spent the day on her a$$ chatting on the internet. As the divorce progressed things in Valerie's life were not going the way she wanted but she continued to manipulate and lie hoping she could create the reality she wanted. Her behavior got even more unstable. She first tried to move in with her family in Idaho, in LESS THAN A WEEK she called Shawn and demanded that he come pick her and the kids up, she couldn't stand living there. She then moved in with Shawn's parents. She isolated herself and rarely left the basement. She started claiming numerous physical ailments that despite various medical appointments no doctor would confirm the diagnosis she sought. She then started 'curing' herself with different diets and herbal remedies. Her mother-in-law took her to a medical appointment (because remember Val refused to drive) and she watched Val take a cane out from under the seat and hobble inside. Interesting thing was the mother-in-law LIVED with Val and had not seen her previously using a cane at any time. Val lived in a basement and had steep stairs to climb on a daily basis and didn't seem to need the cane. Only seemed to need it when visiting the doctor she was trying to get to sign off on herself diagnosed 'ailments'. Her use of the cane didn't get her the desired result. So she finally got a job. She was employed by a group that provides respite care for families with disabled children. The job came with living quarters for her and the kids and she also eventually got a car. Eventually the boss and property caretaker became alarmed by Val’s lack of housekeeping and unstable behavior. She was forcing the kids to sleep with her, despite there being tons of room for the kids to have their own space. The conditions of the room they all shared were deplorable, filthy and cluttered. The employer was also getting complaints that Val was not caring for the clients’ children appropriately. Longtime clients were refusing to bring their children back. They were going to fire her. Val decided to take the kids and disappear.

    The investigations were not lacking. VAL IS LYING TO YOU to gain something. Sympathy? Attention? Again, ALL investigations cleared Shawn. That would be the Child Protective Services of Montana, America’s Most Wanted, New Mexico CPS, a forensic psychologist and Val’s own criminal attorney; who stated in court there was not a single piece of evidence to substantiate what Val was saying. Val’s first lawyer filed to separate from the case when they uncovered evidence that she blatantly lied to them. She had numerous other lawyers who all were unable to provide anything to the court that had substance and truth. You really believe that ALL the agencies and lawyers were inept? They all did a crap job? That is insane.
    The therapist that you said the kids went to and Val ‘paid out of her own pocket’, the kids returned to that therapist upon being reunited with their father. He did not attend the sessions. That therapist diagnosed the kids with PAS, parental alienation syndrome. Remember this is the SAME therapist that Val had selected and trusted. Here educate yourself, we did. http://www.kidsneedboth.org/detect.html

    So really the bottom line is, Val committed a criminal act, plead guilty and was convicted. She is a felon. Despite all her manipulations and lies not a single person or group brought charges against Shawn. So again, he was PROVEN innocent and she was PROVEN guilty. I have provided actual links to documents that I cannot manipulate or edit. They speak for themselves.

    Oh and yes, I am married to Shawn. He is a fantastic father and husband. You are the only one left hiding your name and relationship to Val… hmmm, I wonder why?

    Tetsuo no Kokoro

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    Re: Perverts win in Montana

    Post by Tetsuo no Kokoro on Sun Aug 05, 2012 12:53 pm

    That is quite the little rant and full of fallacies. Medical records, submitted written testimonies of friends of the family who regularly visited the home, and the sworn testimonies of witnesses on the stand back up the claims of the mother and not those of the adulterous girlfriend who later became the wife.
    No lawyers filed to separate from the case over lies, but the original divorce lawyer did file to separate due to the client no longer being in the state and the divorce was ended at the time of the judge's decree.
    This forum is intended for the discussion of laws and judges who handle cases in ways that are detrimental to mothers and children, but if you want to discuss parental alienation syndrome and cherry pick articles that agree with your view, allow me to point out that the psychologist who coined the term "parental alienation" also claimed that adults having sex with children wasn't all that bad, and later committed suicide by repeatedly stabbing himself in the chest. This term is not an actual medical condition, but it is popular with child molesters/abusers who like to throw it at mothers who tell on them.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parental_alienation_syndrome (One of many articles that clears up whether this is a medically recognized condition)
    Substantiation of child abuse relies on a conclusive determination by protective services and many times evidence is not visible, or the children are afraid to tell. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

    I could stoop to janedoeMT levels and bring up Mr Hargrove's addiction to internet pornography, his attempt to start a porn business, his fascination with sex slavery, and his attempt to buy out the contract of one "Belinda" on the pretense of having her babysit so Valerie could get a full time job, but the details of these things should stay in the divorce file paperwork where they belong.

    All in all, no matter how many stories are told, he said, she said, or otherwise, where are the kids getting any good from not being allowed to have any contact or communication with their mother?
    The adults can be as angry at each other as they like, but we pray for the kids and their well being.
    We'll pray for you too, that you all have a good and happy life.

    janedoemt

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    Re: Perverts win in Montana

    Post by janedoemt on Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:02 pm

    Oh, so now the therapist that Val chose HERSELF is also an idiot that cannot properly do their job? You will notice the web address for the article I ‘cherry picked’ is called kidsneedboth.org - I can see where you would find that offensive and all information posted would obviously be crap.
    Amazing that everyone in a legal position to view ALL the FACTS of this situation are idiots according to you. You have awesome polygraph results, you have statements from the child and friends and family. You have all those ‘facts’ about Mr. Hargrove. Clearly, NO ONE did their jobs properly.

    Or….

    Wow, this is a tough one… or…. None of the slanderous crap you are typing is true?! Wow, what a concept?!

    Since this sight is for legal matters and such let’s examine the following…..
    So one more time just so I know I am summarizing correctly. Val had SEVERAL attorneys, Montana Child Protective Services, New Mexico Child Protective Services, Civil court Judges, Criminal court Judges, Supreme Court of Montana Justices and a therapist she ‘paid out of her own pocket’ and absolutely ALL of them failed to do their job properly. Even with the copious amounts of supportive ‘proof’ you keep throwing out here.
    Further you have provided so much ‘proof’ about Mr. Hargrove that it is amazing that the SUPREME COURT of MONTANA upheld his sole custody. Wow, those Supreme Court justices are total idiots. According to you all these ‘facts’ are in the divorce records, how could the judges have all that damning information and not even award supervised visitation? They all should lose their job and you should do it from now on. You have such a grasp of what is the truth and what isn’t. You would clearly be an asset to the judicial system. (Well maybe you would, you still hide who you are but I am sure your reasons are completely pure.)
    Really all I can do is mock and laugh at you. We have put up with Val’s lies, manipulations, delusions and hate for so long that we are bullet proof.
    No prayer needed I assure you. We are a happy family, with a Mom, Dad and paternal and step maternal family. We have a great life and future. Val is most definitely not going to be a part of it. Why? Here, I will post it one more time because it is awesome, “Dunkle has only herself to blame for the court's order that she have no contact with her children.” ~JUSTICE MIKE McGRATH, BRIAN MORRIS, MICHAEL E WHEAT, and JIM RICE, concur. Supreme Court of Montana

    Tetsuo no Kokoro

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    Re: Perverts win in Montana

    Post by Tetsuo no Kokoro on Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:16 pm

    It's unfortunate that when someone is referred to a counselor they don't always know what they're getting. Is there an Angie's list for counselors nowadays?

    Definition of slander:
    slan·der/ˈslandər/Noun: The action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation.


    Verb: Make false and damaging statements about (someone).


    Synonyms: noun. calumny - libel - defamation - aspersion - obloquy
    verb. defame - calumniate - traduce - vilify - backbite - libel

    Polygraph and witnesses on the stand are powerful things in defense of the mother's claims, even when overshouted by your hysterical-sounding demands that she must be a liar. There is no slander here except that which you have said.

    In the supreme court case the lawyer was trying to get the entire divorce decree thrown out, custodial, financial, and everything. During mediation Ms Dunkle offered to let go the financial side of the case if she could just have any kind of contact with the children which Mr Hargrove fought with tactics like saying he would agree to it if she had a parenting evaluation done, which requires 5,000 to 6,000 dollars she didn't have, plus the evaluator generally has to observe the examinee WITH THE CHILDREN, which couldn't happen unless she were with them, and he wouldn't allow it. Catch 22.
    The damning information in the family court files were apparently ignored, which is why this site exists. Look around here and read more and educate yourself.
    All your lies and attempts to obscure the real story won't change a thing.
    It is curious that before Valerie left with the children, Shawn and you both said she was a good mother and he even said so in his statement to family court. His only real concern in the document at that time was her fibromyalgia which he worried might put her in a wheelchair and make her unable to take care of the kids.

    Since you like repeating things over and over, I'll say this one more time.
    Sworn witnesses, polygraph given by a highly qualified examiner.

    The line you like to quote from the judge's decision only proves that the children have been allowed to be used as tools to punish another disobedient woman.

    How do you and Mr Hargrove intend to keep mother and children apart forever, as it sounds in your statement? Do you and he intend to kill them before they can reunite themselves with her after they turn 18? Was this a threat against the children or against the mother?
    He yelled at a family member once that none of her side of the family would EVER see the kids again so it certainly sounds that way.
    Your actions will be scrutinized in every legal way and we will continue to pray for the children.

    janedoemt

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    Re: Perverts win in Montana

    Post by janedoemt on Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:44 pm

    OMG all I can do is laugh. Your 'crazy' is showing. WOW.

    keepalowprofile

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    Re: Perverts win in Montana

    Post by keepalowprofile on Sat Mar 23, 2013 8:37 pm

    Looks like the new mommy spends her fair share on the internet as well.

    I wonder if there is piles of cat feces in the corner of her room too.


    By the way, You people can thank yourselves when your children are all grown up and dysfunctional.

    janedoemt

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    Re: Perverts win in Montana

    Post by janedoemt on Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:18 pm

    Fair share of the internet? I guess that was meant to be an insult? Valerie Dunkle, Valerie ReVander, Lina Johnson, Autumn Forte, aka whatever other names she has hidden behind. Used the internet in place of living, used it as the only REALITY. Responding here to her sister Vanita Meinzingers rants is not really even in the same category. Nope no cats, living in cat urine and cat feces was only a benefit while with their birth mother. As far as dysfunctional, I blame the birth mothers parents for all that she is. When she was sexually abused as a child obviously she did not receive the help she so desperately needed. Now we have 2 children that cannot have contact with a deeply mentally disturbed dysfunctional birth mother. Yeah thanks all around for that.


    Last edited by janedoemt on Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:20 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : Clarification)

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